Who really gains with all the "ECO" hype

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Would Clean Burn Incinerators be more hygienic and safer than to continue to bury billions of tonnes of Rubbish each year in landfill sites??

The Money could be raised from all the extra Revenue the local copuncils make from recycling our plastic, paper and aluminium and steel (but they don't like to admit that!!)

Then we could go back to weekly bin collections, we would not have to suffer the embarassment of having "Slop Buckets" in our house ( I've just fitted a 12K kitchen in our house, where does a slop bucket fit in??)

No More Flies , Maggots and Rats in our Gardens, no more stupid fines and enforcements............

It can work, I'd vote for a "Clean Burn" incinerator any day of the week, why is this government so intent in going backwards ???

At least we wouldn't have to worry about plastic bags taking 500 years to rot, 5 seconds and a puff of smoke - gone!!

[wikaniko_ecolikeme]

Cracking cracking thread.

Eco / green / whatever - yup, most of it is a load of old...

It's a shame that the Climate Change bunch are ruining the world - it's only PART of the problem we are creating...
Chances are that consumption (and disposal) of plastic will "get us" long before the CO2 does.

I change my mind about "who's responsible" all the time - me or the big guys - what will ultimately make a difference?

Did that guy who nearly died making a film about eating just McDonalds for a month make a difference? Not sure - see - I can't even remember what it was called

I'm happy doing my bit and "pushing on open doors" trying to encourage people who are openminded and willing to try to be greener.

My favourite quote from Sir David Attenborough:
If my grandchildren thought of me when they looked at the desolation that has overcome great patches of the earth and thought, ‘He knew what was happening but he did nothing about it’, I would feel deeply, deeply ashamed of myself.

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I guess with all the lies its a bit of a job who to believe these days and when you decide to believe you end up paying more for it!!

Like you i agree that we should all be responsible and treat our planet with respect, by that i mean get your old smoky exhaust fixed and generally save a bit of electric where you can, By forcing people to have slop buckets, empty their bins every two weeks, and make them a criminal if the lids not shut is just alienating the general public, which will then see it for what it really is, a tax scam.

We need to ignore the Eco Warriors and those old hippies which believe that if we go back 100 years all will be hunky dorey. We need to act now and fast.

Clean Air Incinerators in each large City, Sell all recyclable waste and re invest back into the Community, as opposed to town hall pension pots. Stop Burying our waste and stop polluting the countryside with wind turbines, How the hell did they grant Planing permission to those monsters.

The secret is to think sensibly and for the benefit of everyone as oppose to forcing people and benefiting only a few

[HuggyBear]

Clean Air Incinerators in each large City, Sell all recyclable waste and re invest back into the Community, as opposed to town hall pension pots. Stop Burying our waste and stop polluting the countryside with wind turbines, How the hell did they grant Planing permission to those monsters.

The secret is to think sensibly and for the benefit of everyone as oppose to forcing people and benefiting only a few

It will probably never work that way as its too easy and there is noway to tax anybody to make any money out of it.

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It will probably never work that way as its too easy and there is noway to tax anybody to make any money out of it.

It is easy, plus the co2 footprint of the incinerators would be far less than most people will expect, plus theres no more dangerous lanfill sites which give off meathane gas, thus more ozone destroying. Thess odern incerators filter all the smoke, so theres no harmful particles, just steam, plus the engery and heat created would benefit the site. The ash can be made into those building blocks they make, i forgot the name of them and all in all everyones happy.

Or we can just carry on, burying our rubbish, polluting the countryside with massive landfill sites and the husge cost in co2 maintaining them, and stick up wine turbines where ever we feel like, and paying yet even more in taxes for a system which main benefit is collecting taxes.

Thats another thing, what ever happened to the "hole in the Ozone Layer" which was getting bigger and bigger and we would all fry to death?? You don't hear about that now?? Mind you how can you tax a "Hole" theres nothing there. I guess the Scientists have found something else to lie about.

[HuggyBear]

Thats another thing, what ever happened to the "hole in the Ozone Layer" which was getting bigger and bigger and we would all fry to death?? You don't hear about that now?? Mind you how can you tax a "Hole" theres nothing there. I guess the Scientists have found something else to lie about.

The O-zone repaired itself the day mcdonalds used CFC free packaging

[notoriousgib]

But recycling waste, is not Green because you first need to manufacture all that packaging and then reprocess it all when its waste, the end product has been through two stages of manufacture, hardly green?

If you want to be really green, then you would limit the amout of waste you create and instead of the government giving householders fines for leaving their wheelie bin lids open, they want to start fining companies who waste resourse and material with excesses packaging.

Look at the Recycling Scam, yes its great to recycle all our waste but since we've been doing it do we get any benefits from it?? no, do our council tax bills come down as a result no, the people that benefit is the local authority that have made millions selling the recycled waste to companies and businesses aboard.

So lets save the UK and dump our rubbish in China instead (as one TV documentry found out!)

Recycling scam? You feel strongly about this i can see. Everyone is entitled to their opinions however i would argue that they dont make millions. I operate a specialist electrical waste recycling company with very good industry knowledge so lets look at the council and the recycling issue. First of all they have to collect the majority of recycling materials by the roadside outside our homes, so theres the cost of running a vehicle and operatives pulling the bins to the vehicle. Then once the vehicle is full its off to the transfer station for sorting and bailing again with operating costs, staff, vehicles, machinery etc.. to segregate into a product to resell, thats when the money is created. However taking off the cost of the general waste collected from your bin that cant be recycled is either then sent for landfill = HUGE COST , or some sort of energy from waste plant , again a cost but less than landfill. So on one hand they make some money for the recycling product but the other hand they loose from paying to landfill or process the general waste. Ok you are partly funding this with council tax but i still dont think they make millions from it.
The recycling products generated are mixed plastics, glass, cardboard etc... the prices of these rise and fall dependant on many factors. Last year the market fell rapidly so they stock piled recycling material for when the market picked up and they were able to sell again.
Whats the other option to recycling?? And no exporting waste is not an option! Its waste we generate so we need to deal with it, and yes packaging needs reducing so does the amount of waste we generate overall too and this is improving year on year!!
Eco hype as you put it helps educate the dangers of living in a throw away society, no one really gains. Dont get me wrong some things about society and jumping on the eco band wagon wind me up but we all have our part to play.

@green east , everyone is entitled to their own opinions, debate how you feel, its all friendly. Stay and add your input, its all a big discussion. If you can educate and change someones opinion then job done. If not no worries back to the drawing board.

Wrong or right the eco and green subject divides and usually stirs up strong feelings on, but like i say everyone is entitled to their own opinion!

[An Oasis]

Hey Gerry

Great post and your thinking is spot on...the whole thing has turned into a lets make money excersise.

Check out http://www.nature.org/rainforests/explore/facts.html it's only a quick read but highlitghts the fact that if there is a problem that it could be solved. The very fact no one gives a toss about the rainforests kinda let's you know that there is substantial BS in this greeny bit.

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Recycling scam? You feel strongly about this i can see. Everyone is entitled to their opinions however i would argue that they dont make millions. I operate a specialist electrical waste recycling company with very good industry knowledge so lets look at the council and the recycling issue. First of all they have to collect the majority of recycling materials by the roadside outside our homes, so theres the cost of running a vehicle and operatives pulling the bins to the vehicle. Then once the vehicle is full its off to the transfer station for sorting and bailing again with operating costs, staff, vehicles, machinery etc.. to segregate into a product to resell, thats when the money is created. However taking off the cost of the general waste collected from your bin that cant be recycled is either then sent for landfill = HUGE COST , or some sort of energy from waste plant , again a cost but less than landfill. So on one hand they make some money for the recycling product but the other hand they loose from paying to landfill or process the general waste. Ok you are partly funding this with council tax but i still dont think they make millions from it.
The recycling products generated are mixed plastics, glass, cardboard etc... the prices of these rise and fall dependant on many factors. Last year the market fell rapidly so they stock piled recycling material for when the market picked up and they were able to sell again.
Whats the other option to recycling?? And no exporting waste is not an option! Its waste we generate so we need to deal with it, and yes packaging needs reducing so does the amount of waste we generate overall too and this is improving year on year!!
Eco hype as you put it helps educate the dangers of living in a throw away society, no one really gains. Dont get me wrong some things about society and jumping on the eco band wagon wind me up but we all have our part to play.

@green east , everyone is entitled to their own opinions, debate how you feel, its all friendly. Stay and add your input, its all a big discussion. If you can educate and change someones opinion then job done. If not no worries back to the drawing board.

Wrong or right the eco and green subject divides and usually stirs up strong feelings on, but like i say everyone is entitled to their own opinion!

So what your Saying is recycling is not green, The amount of CO2 emmitted, by collecting these items items, all the transportation, Processing etc..

Thats why before all this tax craze came about, we used to use Clean air incinerators where all the waste would be burn't and the metals sorted afterwards with the ash, The metal sold for scrap and the ash turned into blocks. The heat would of been enough to generate ample electricity and Landfil sites was just some place we took our garden rubbish every sunday.

Then came the end of the earth where we had to stop with the incinerators and start burying all our rubbish in the landfill sites, then thht stopped and we have to re cylce everything no matter how much CO2 we produce as a result, so if you look at the way we've come accross this, we, ve come a full circle and made it worst for ourselves.

From a Simple Clean Air disposal system to creating massive landfill sites, and then to start sorting all the rubbish and processing it creating even more co2 than the first system, but we know that CO2 means Taxes, Fines and criminal records.

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Hey Gerry

Great post and your thinking is spot on...the whole thing has turned into a lets make money excersise.

Check out http://www.nature.org/rainforests/explore/facts.html it's only a quick read but highlitghts the fact that if there is a problem that it could be solved. The very fact no one gives a toss about the rainforests kinda let's you know that there is substantial BS in this greeny bit.

Glad someone agree's

The rainforest is a beautiful part of the earth which has survived millions of years up until now.

Millions of tree's are cut down so that farmers can grow bio fuel crops, This is a big issue in south america and no one seems to want to try and control exactly what is going on.

Fuelled by this "Eco" Craze Farmers are making more money growing bio crops for Diesel than by producing normal crops for food, Little do the Greens know that by pressing ahead with their "Green Eco" World they are slowly destroying it themselves.

Thats one of the reasons you never hear a "Green Group" talk about the Rainforest, beacuse the farmers are making $$$$$$$$ growing bio fuel crops

So Sad really, the rainforests are an area of natural beauty and should be treated as such, i'm all for making it another "Wonder of the World" as when its gone its gone, we're never going to be able to create another rainforest anywhere in the world.