Copenhagen climate change summit

[Punched]

Well well, it gets worst all this hype about climate change

Now it appears that its all just a lot of hot air and theres no real evidence to say its man made, even the scare mongers are not even reliable proffessional people to make such historic claims. At the moment all eyes are centered around this guy

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Believe it or not his scientific background is as a Railway engineer and his doctorate is in Industrial Engineering, so what qualifications dose he have to dictate that the Ice is going to all melt?? NONE.

Yet this guy is Chairman of Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

nice job if you can get it.

The alarmist claim appeared two years ago in an influential report. At the time the IPCC insisted the document contained the latest and most detailed evidence yet of the risks of man-made climate change.

Dr Pachauri even dismissed the report's detractors for using 'voodoo science'.

But in fact the claim was originally made by scientist Syed Hasnain, from Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, who has since admitted the comment was 'pure speculation'.

What makes me Mad is thes so called "Experts" are putting out Speculation that Global warming is man made yet they come from India, who has a terriable record in pollution in general.

[Barry]

Its all about the future 'risk' and (some say small) possibility that our planet maybe going down the swanny and our children or our children's children could be left with a world that is completely unusable in the way we currently use it today, with temperatures and ecosystems that are far different from the ones we have enjoyed for thousands of years.

I fail to see that anyone on this planet can deny that pumping some half a trillion tons of carbon into the air can have no effect whatsoever on the climate of our planet. The trouble is that our planet is so complex and the problems and hypothesises along with it also. It could effectively take only the smallest imbalance to take us over the edge. Take a pile of salt and keep adding one grain and over time the pile of salt will get bigger - until one day you put on one grain and the lot falls like a avalanche. The same could possibly be said of our tender ecosystem that we enjoy today.

I do not deny that the human output is small in comparison to 'natural' causes of CO2 and other gasses - however no one can deny that humans are having an impact on this planet. I do not deny that many of the computer modulations are completely speculative - thats what science mostly is. I do not deny that the collection of data has sometimes been corrupt with weather stations being in cities where they used to be in sparsely populated areas. I do not deny that the average temperatures of the planet have always gone up and down - but the fact is that since the industrial revolution our temp has risen by 1C. Yes temperatures have remained stable for the last few years - but it does not change that the 'average' line for this century is steadily increasing.

Over the recordable history of the planet carbon levels have never been over 280ppm and now we are at 387ppm - and you say we are having no effect on the planet.

I have seen so much information on this, we really have been bombarded with it and even for me its hard to know what to believe but I for one would rather hedge my bets, pay a bit more to companies who are being 'properly' eco-responsible and try to be a little more green myself just incase. Its far easy for us to deny it at the moment but none of us know what the future will hold - only that cutting emmissions will not do us any harm but carrying on increasing them 'may' do us harm.

Ta

Baz

[Punched]

Thanks baz

The problem is this...

1000 years ago the earth was a very different place, No Jet engines, no cars, the only real problems for us brits was just trying to get on with the Romans, but that all changes, The Earth, just like us, evolves and changes, if we picked out a single person from 1000BC and bought him forward in time to 2010, he would probably choke to death with the amout of pollution we have in the air, to us its normal.

People evole and adapt, so in a 1000 years time the earth will be a VERY different place to what we're used to now and our childrens children x10 will be very different to us now.

If we're honest with ourselves there is nothing thats going to change the CO2 emmissions until something VERY Drastic happens, like we don't get any sunlight for a week or something like that, if the earth is being damaged, it will always continue to be damaged, and its going to take more that a few people to put it right or even reverse the problem.

From what we've seen lately with all the lies and speculation, with all the rouge figures of global warming which were doctored by the University of Essex, to make it look worst than it is, if all the unqualified people say that the ice is melting then that will lead to panic and no doubt making some people very rich indeed.

Massive power gatherings like the last summit a few months back has not resolve anything, but had ended up damaging the earth even more with the excessive co2 emmissions created when 15,000 people went to the summit.

Its all Smoke and mirrors and to do with Power and money, nothing else, lets face it you wouldn't have a summit on Gun and Knife crime and all the MP's went their kitted out looking like Rambo.

So lets look at the evidence we have so far, we have the indian Guy apologising for making up false speculative remarks with no proof what so ever and thats the Guy in charge of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Then you have the scholars and acdemics at the Universities that have been caught making up figures, to make it look like that more damage is being done than it is? Who do you trust?? Where are we getting our info from and its not from those liars at the government, who only impliment the global warming debate as a means to tax us even further.

Some people believe, its like a cult, but for me its just the biggist scam of the 21st century, I'm supprised they havn't made a Global Warming Disaster Movie

[Barry]

We only evolve at one speed and thats over generations and generations. If you dropped me into the sea I wouldn't grow gills. Its the speed of change thats in question and whether we can keep up as a race on the planet earth, as we dont have another planet to move to just yet.

I agree with you though on one point you do have to see through some of the smoke and mirrors, I wouldn't offset my carbon by paying someone else just as i wouldnt send my gold to cash4gold. The 'eco' badwagon is indeed getting polluted by people in it for the short term buck.

Absurdly, doing nothing is probably better than denying it its happening.

Ta

Baz

[Punched]

You mean you havn't got gills?


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It does take time and like us the earth has changed dramatically over time also, and continues to change as we speak.

Thats another scam, Cash4gold ha ha

There may be things happening with the earth but no one has been here in the lenght of time to have positive proof, We at most if were lucky will live to be 80-90 odd, any damage will be in hundreds of years but the earth could repair itself also in that time, we will never know.

Got to see my Dr about these gills

Have a great weekend mate

[Punched]

Climate change scientist: I considered suicide

The scientist at the centre of the climate-change email scandal has admitted he considered suicide in the wake of the global backlash.

Professor Phil Jones, 57, who has stepped down from his post at the University of East Anglia pending an investigation, said he had a 'David Kelly moment', referring to the weapons expert whose body was found in the Oxfordshire woods after being exposed as the source for reports that the Government 'sexed up' claims about Saddam Hussein's arsenal.

He also revealed he is receiving death threats over his emails, which appeared to suggest that colleagues destroy data rather than let it be used by those sceptical of man-made global warming.
Jones, who has lost more than a stone in weight and now needs pills to help him sleep, said he was unprepared for the outcry.

After all the Lies, and letting the governemnt believe them, we've had to put up with the highest engery charges in the whole of europe because of idiots like this coming out with such poop.

Don't make people feel sorry for yoyrself by comparing yourself to Dr Kelly, Dr Kelly's downfall was that he told the truth, a lesson that many still need to learn

[my_powwownow]

What an enjoyable thread to read through.

Punched, you raise some valid points – and I'll agree with you about the amount of tax we already pay in this country.

I will have to argue that although there is huge imbalance between who pays for climate change and who are the biggest causes of climate change, I can't help but feel that it's dangerous to adopt the 'they're not bothering so we shouldn't bother' attitude.

I believe there are many lifestyle changes that we can all make to help do our bit to aid climate change. I'm no climate change scientist – not even an expert for that matter – but I believe that if everyone decided they could make those small changes, we'd see changes for the better within our lifetime. It takes a few to set the pace before others will follow.

[Punched]

What an enjoyable thread to read through.


I believe there are many lifestyle changes that we can all make to help do our bit to aid climate change. I'm no climate change scientist – not even an expert for that matter – but I believe that if everyone decided they could make those small changes, we'd see changes for the better within our lifetime. It takes a few to set the pace before others will follow.

Thanks, but the problem is the fact that we can do something but chose the best method which involves extracting as much money from the taxpayer as possible, anything esle is not even looked at.

Firstly people are questioning the credibility of the So Called Climate Sciencists which have now been proved to of spun a web of lies and deciet. Its with these lies that our useless government has embarked on a crazy notion to spending billions of taxpayers money on wacky "Lets Save the Planet" ideas.

people aren't stupid they can see through the lies and see how we're wasting billions on something which is not going to have the slightest effect of global warming (If there is such a thing??)

There was a program on tv last night about the chocolate manufacturers using Palm oil in Chocolate, Not only are they destroying the Rain forest in order to produce this Palm oil but if we reall gave a money about saving the planet we should be careful about what we decide to eat. But thats never going to change and as a result we're destroying the rainforest.

With gas and electric prices here almost double what europe pays are we really getting any benefits from the Millions already spent on monstrous wind turbines?? I think not.

I'll tell you what happens in this country, The Governemnt tax us through the Nose and Come up with Crackpot ideas costing billions in order to make even more money themselves.

as a people, the british are far too spineless, they like a good arguement but thats as far as it goes, if we were french we'd be setting the streets alight