[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Martin-Subbynet

I dunno, a public statement saying they couldn't believe what happened and now didn't want anything else to do with their parents might be an indication of how they felt.

And Bill never had sex with Monica.

Alvin

[Martin-Subbynet]

Originally Posted by Alvin

And Bill never had sex with Monica.

Alvin

He's a politician, born bull****ters lying ****s who would say anything. And was obvious to all but the most gullible that he was lying. Saying that he was forced to come clean and to admit it.

I have to say tho mate, you seem to be projecting your own opinion on the case, rather than basing it on the evidence from the investigation and court case. I mean, even if they didn't like their parents, it has no impact on the crime committed.

[Alvin]

Just as a comparison for a fraud crime involving 360 million.and damaging hundreds of thousands of people.

http://www.accountancyage.com/accoun...encing-getting

Alvin

[Martin-Subbynet]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Just as a comparison for a fraud crime involving 360 million.and damaging hundreds of thousands of people.

http://www.accountancyage.com/accoun...encing-getting

Alvin

Yeah I can see what you're getting at, but if you're trying to say they (Darwins) have been harshly treated then I still have to disagree, they got what they deserved, but the case above in your link is clearly under a sentence I'd expect.

And basically that's because we don't allow Judge's to set maximum prison sentences themselves, but are dictated to from Government, so a £250k Fraud case has pretty much the maximum sentence of a £300m case. The sentencing times IMO should be a guide to judges only, and they should be allowed to sentence at their discretion. (With the right of appeal to add some checks and balance to the process)

Its like Piracy and Theft. You can be sentenced worse for downloading an album than you would stealing it from the shop - it doesn't make sense does it.

[Alvin]

Martin I am not sticking up for the Darwins,what they did was a nasty crime.

Just that there sentence was out of proportion to much more serious crimes see this :

http://www.publications.parliament.u...60720w1849.htm

Alvin

[Martin-Subbynet]

I think its hard to make proper comparisons, as what you seem to be expecting is the longest sentence possible on each case, but each case has its own merits and might not be as serious as the charge (Rape, GBH, Sexual Assult etc) itself sounds. So this would lead to statistics showing lower jail times than maybe other less serious sounding crime (like fraud), but in reality it was nastier.

[Alvin]

Wel all I can say if society considers fraud for £250,000 to be more serious than the death of someone in the case of manslaughter.Then what price human life.?

Alvin

[Martin-Subbynet]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Wel all I can say if society considers fraud for £250,000 to be more serious than the death of someone in the case of manslaughter.Then what price human life.?

Alvin

But an accident is an accident, and accidents happen, fraud is calculated and done on purpose.

Would you lock that man up for life who's daughter died on a Quad bike? He was bloody stupid for allowing her on the road, but not criminal, so the punishment should reflect the situation.

[Cathy]

I agree with you Alvin. This sentence seems all out of proportion. Why? Well precisely for the reasons you've cited.

I think we all have a sort of 'league table' of crimes. Most of those I would expect most people to agree on, with murder, rape etc near the top and other crimes following on 'down the league'.

The problem I think here is not so much that 6 and something years is the 'wrong' or a 'too harsh' sentence but rather that our judicial system has chosen to give such ludicrously short sentences for other more serious crimes that our expectation for a 'lesser' crime therefore is that much lower.

If instead of the ludicrous system we currently we have, we started with the benchmark that murder = life imprisonment (or indeed the death sentence) then perhaps our whole sentencing system would make more sense.

Personally, I blame the bleeding heart Judges we have who see every criminal as a 'victim' (he had a poor background/difficult childhood/lost his toy monkey at the age of 2 *delete as appropriate).

[Alvin]

yep seems to be a lot of accidental knives stuck in people along with accidental punches that result in deaths.

Don't you think the guy you mentioned has suffered enough without being charged with being responsible for the death of his own daughter.And the driver who killed the child gets off scott free.

Now if I saw a young child riding a quad bike on the road I would be very very carefull about overtaking that child.?

Alvin